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August 15, 2007 at 4:56 pm #138673JaxKeymaster
*my own disclaimer. They say that supplements work. But realize that a lot of supplements also aren’t absorbed. That’s why it’s important to get quality supplements tested in actual humans for their absorption rather than in a test tube. Oh, and the link has pictures*
LE Magazine March 2001 http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/mar2001_report_vegetables.html
Vegetables Without Vitamins
Imagine the surprise of going online and discovering that the vitamin and mineral content of vegetables has drastically dropped.
That’s what happened to nutritionist, Alex Jack, when he went to check out the latest US Department of Agriculture food tables. The stunning revelation came after Jack compared recently published nutrient values with an old USDA handbook he had lying around. Some of the differences in vitamin and mineral content were enormous-a 50% drop in the amount of calcium in broccoli, for example. Watercress down 88% in iron content; cauliflower down 40% in vitamin C content-all since 1975.
Jack took his findings to the USDA, hoping for a reasonable explanation. That was two years ago. He’s still waiting. So is Organic Gardening magazine, which published an open letter, seeking an explanation from Dan Glickman, Secretary of Agriculture. Glickman didn’t respond, but USDA employee, Phyllis E. Johnson did. Johnson (who is head of the Beltsville area office), suggested to Organic Gardening that the nutrient drain should be put in context. According to her, the 78% decrease in calcium content of corn is not significant because no one eats corn for calcium. She further explains that the problem may not even exist at all; that the apparent nutrient dips could be due to the testing procedures. For example, “changes in the public’s perception of what the edible portion is may determine what parts have been analyzed over time.” In other words, back when the old food tables were made up, people may have been eating the cobb too, so they got more nutrients.
The vitamin drain
We decided to look into this further. Jack had used a 1975 version of the food tables for his research. We dredged up a 1963 version. After comparing the nutrient values for over a dozen fruits and vegetables, it was clear that the nutrient value of many foods has dropped, in some cases drastically. For example, the amount of vitamin C in sweet peppers has plummeted from 128 mg to 89 mg.= The vitamin A in apples has dropped from 90 mg to 53 mg. The fall-offs seem to be limited mostly to vegetables, and some fruits.
Some vegetables appear to be gaining vitamins-at least vitamin A. Carrots, for example, have more of the vitamin now than they did in 1963. Why is a mystery. But the phenomenon has apparently occurred just in the nick of time. The National Academy of Sciences has issued an alert that it takes twice as many vegetables to get the daily requirement of vitamin A as previously thought. Carrots and pumpkin are exempt from the caveat.
Despite the apparent increase of vitamin A in carrots, most vegetables are losing their vitamins and minerals. Nearly half the calcium and vitamin A in broccoli, for example, have disappeared. Collards are not the greens they used to be. If you’re eating them for minerals and vitamin A, be aware that the vitamin A content has fallen from 6500 IUs to 3800 IUs. Their potassium has dropped from from 400 mg to 170 mg. Magnesium has fallen sharply-57 mg to 9. Cauliflower has lost almost half its vitamin C, along with its thiamin and riboflavin. Most of the calcium in pineapple is gone-from 17 mg (per 100 grams raw) to 7. And the list goes on and on.
The USDA refuses to act
What’s the deal on this nutrient drain? We decided to ask USDA ourselves, so we contacted the head of the USDA Agricultural Research Service, whose job it is to track the vitamins in food, among other things. Mr. Edward B. Knipling responded to our inquiry with a restatement of Ms. Johnson’s letter to Organic Gardening magazine. So we pressed for a better answer. Isn’t the agency concerned that Americans may not be getting the vitamins they think they are? What about the food pyramid? Won’t a nutrient drain upset the pyramid? Already the National Academy of Sciences is telling us our vegetables don’t have as many vitamins as they’re supposed to. Will the USDA double the required servings of vegetables to make up for the vitamin loss? So far, no answer from the agency.
The question is, what is the nature and extent of the problem? Vegetables are a major source of nutrition. Without them, humans miss out on important vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients. Many nutrients (such as folate) weren’t measured in the past. If they are also disappearing, the extent is unknown. What about more exotic nutrients such as flavonoids, or compounds like I3C? These aren’t tracked by the USDA. Are they disappearing also?
What’s for dinner
The USDA advises that we should be eating 3 to 5 servings of vegetables plus 2 to 4 servings of fruit a day to maintain health. (A serving is one cup of something raw and leafy or one-half a cup of something either not leafy or cooked-or 3/4 cup of vegetable juice). That is potentially 9 cups of vegetables and fruit a day. That’s a lot of lettuce. Are people doing this?
Harry Balzer is vice president of NPD Group, a firm that gathers information on the eating habits of Americans. His data says no way. According to him, the preferred American meal is one-dish, already prepared. Unless a vegetable can be squirted out of a bottle, it’s a nonentity. Why? We’re in a hurry. Vegetables are considered side dishes, and Americans don’t have time for such frivolity. The decline is relentless. Within the last 15 years, the percentage of all dinners including a vegetable (other than salad or potatoes) dropped 10%. It’s now 41%.
“90% of women and 71% of men get less than the RDA for vitamin B6.” Dietary vitamin B-6 intake and food sources in the US population: NHANES II, 1976-1980. Kant AK, et al. 1990.
“Men with the lowest amount of vitamin C have a 62% increased risk of cancer and a 57% increased risk of dying from any cause.“ Vitamin C status and mortality in US adults. Loria CM, et al. Am J Clin Nutr 72:139-45, 2000.
“Lutein and zeaxanthin reduce the incidence of cataract by 22%.” A prospective study of carotenoid and vitamin A intakes and risk of cataract extraction in US women. Chasan-Taber L, et al. Am J Clin Nutr 70:509-16, 1999.
“People with low levels of retinol, beta-carotene, vitamin E and selenium are more likely to get cancer.” Serum retinol, beta-carotene, vitamin E and selenium as related to subsequent cancer of specific sites. Comstock GW, et al. Am J Epidemiol 135:115-21, 1992.
“Supplemental vitamin D reduces the risk of colon cancer by half compared to dietary vitamin D which reduces it 12%.” Calcium, vitamin D, and dairy foods and the occurrence of colon cancer in men. Kearney J, et al. Am J Epidemiol 143:907-17, 1996.
“The area of China with the lowest micronutrient intake has the highest rate of cancer. Supplementation with vitamin E, selenium and beta-carotene lowers the rate.” Vitamin/mineral supplementation and cancer risk: internationaal chemoprevention trials. Blot WJ. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 216:291-6, 1997.
“American children have inadequate levels of vitamin E.“ Vitamin E status of US children. Bendich A. J Am Coll Nutr 11:441-4, 1992.
“Flavonoids protect against stroke.” Dietary flavnoids, antioxidant vitamins, and incidence of stroke: the Zutphen study. Keli SO, et al. Arch Intern Med 156:637-42, 1996.
This raises a big question. If people are not eating their vegetables, how are they getting their vitamins? The answer is they’re not. Study-after-study show that Americans don’t meet the RDAs for many nutrients. That’s not good considering that RDAs are probably too low to keep most people in optimal health to begin with.
Americans know what they should be eating. They’re just not doing it. And they’re not likely to. According to Balzer, for example, pizza is one of America’s favorite meals. It fulfills, he says, the American ideal of being easy and fast, liked by old and young, and easy to clean up. If you blot it with a paper towel, throw on some pineapple, and use your imagination, it even seems to fit with the food pyramid. What else are people eating? Bread, doughnuts, pasta, cheese, beef and milk. Without fortified cereal, Americans would not come close to meeting RDAs.
Yes, but what about the produce section? Isn’t it filled with resealable bags full of wholesome, scrubbed little carrots, prewashed salad greens and spinach? Somebody must be buying them, or they wouldn’t be there, right? According to Balzer, those puppies are highly successful, raking in a billion dollars in sales ($100M is considered successful for a new food product). But the fact that people are buying them doesn’t mean they’re eating them. The reality is that onions are most-often served vegetable in America. Tomatoes (including ketchup) are second.
According to one study, less than one-third of Americans get the minimum five servings of fruits and vegetables a day, let alone the recommended nine. According to Balzer’s data, the percentage of Americans who buy healthy groceries is about 10%. The other 90% relies on ketchup, onions, fat-free snacks, ice cream, cheese and Sweet Tarts™ as their source of nutrition. Now we find out that even if a person accidentally eats a vegetable, it may not contain the nutrients it’s supposed to. What can a person do?
Vitamin supplements work
Supplements have proven their worth in scientific studies. Cancer, heart attacks, bone loss, stroke and macular degeneration-most any degenerative disease you can think of can either be prevented by, or ameliorated by, the right nutrients given in supplement form. Over the long term, the benefits can really add up. For example, nurses who took multi-vitamins containing folic acid for fifteen years slashed their risk of colon cancer by 75%. Folate from food didn’t work as well. No one knows why, although bioavailability problems may be to blame. It’s estimated that about 90% of the population gets less folate per day than necessary for health (400 micrograms).
In the same study, nurses who took multi-vitamins containing vitamin B6 reduced their risk of heart disease by 30%. The more B6 they took, the lower the risk. Could a high potency, high quality supplement reduce risk even more? We don’t know, but a study from Norway shows that a combination of vitamin B6 and folate reduces homocysteine 32% within five weeks in healthy individuals. This has the potential to significantly lower the risk of heart attack and stroke. Other studies show that for every decade of life, plasma concentrations of B6 decrease, and that people who take supplements have a much greater chance of meeting RDAs than those who don’t.
There are good reasons to take supplements. The bioavailability of the nutrients in supplements (assuming you buy high-quality) is 100% compared to food which is very unpredictible when it comes to bioavailability. Nutrient content also appears unpredictible. If the vitamin drain is confirmed, it will mean that people cannot count on vegetables and fruit to be the packages of concentrated nutrients they’re supposed to be. In a time when most people aren’t coming close to getting five, let alone nine, servings of fruits and vegetables, it seems pointless to ask them to eat more to get the same nutrients.
“…the nutritional content of produce is not as important as things like appearance and big yield. In other words, the view of commercial growers is that food is a product in the same way that running shoes are a product. Looks are more important than substance.”
The USDA is apparently unconcerned and not interested in the vitamin drain, despite its mandate to ensure high quality safe foods. In her letter to Organic Gardening, Ms. Johnson said that the nutritional content of produce is not as important as things like appearance and big yield. In other words, Ms. Johnson espouses the view of commercial growers that food is a product in the same way that running shoes are a product. Looks are more important than substance. That view of vegetables and fruits reduces your spinach salad to pretty roughage, and your chances of meeting RDAs to slim.
The USDA can be accessed at http://www.usda.gov. The food tables are available online.
The folks who do the food testing are in the Agricultural Research Service which can be accessed at http://www.ars.usda.gov.
*1963 values have been set at 100%
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NPD Group, Inc. has a website at http://www.npd.com. Highlights from the 15th Annual Report on Eating Patterns in America are available online.
Organic Gardening’s letter to Dan Glickman, and the response of Phyllis E. Johnson of the USDA – see http://www.organicgardening.com.
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All Contents Copyright © 1995-2007 Life Extension Foundation All rights reserved.August 15, 2007 at 6:08 pm #145507Innocence_LostParticipant
That’s it, i’m growing my own stuff from now on. Any good suggestions on where i can get cheap stuff for growing plants and where i can get seeds or small plants, lets prey my black thumb is gone, lol.August 15, 2007 at 6:15 pm #145508JaxKeymaster
I’ve found plants all over the place – grocery stores, nurseries, etc. But realize, one reason our plants have less nutrients is because our soil is so depleted. So, i would research this a bit before just diving in. I’m sure there are tons of organic gardening resources out there which would help a lot.
By the way, when my wife and I finally build our house, I’m building a huge greenhouse so we can grow lots of produce too.August 15, 2007 at 9:33 pm #145514Kol DrakeModerator
The speculation for a few decades has been … that we have farmed the heck out of the same land so long… never giving it time to go fallow for long periods; use chemical fertilizers… which tend to kill the natural microorganisms that help ‘make good soil’; and even the artificial stuff tends to NOT put the significant (and necessary to the body) trace elements that were once part of the ‘standard’ veggie spread.
Only those places where organic methods have been used and the soil nurtured ‘back to health’ have shown improvements in the important percentages.
Sadly, the industry tends to go for fast, shippable, less spoilage — which usually means — chemicals, forced growth ‘hot house’ produce. I keep telling my kids that a home grown ‘real’ tomato actually has TASTE compared to the watery, semi square (easier to pack) blobs one finds at most stores. One day they’ll actually listen to their dinosaur era dad!August 15, 2007 at 11:35 pm #145518inariParticipant
Kol is definately correct here, its the farming practices that are robbing fruits, vegetables and grains of their nutritional content.
I grew up in a farming community, and what needs to happen in an ‘ideal world’ is regular soil sampling. Returning compost and manure to the soil is indeed a better solution than commercial fertilisers, however in addition to this there are still trace elements that are necessary but cannot be replaced by composted manure alone. Applications of blood and bone, seaweed or ashes, for example, can assist in those matters.
For those who want to grow really nutritious food, try hydroponics or permaculture, depending on how much room you have.
**Edit** Additionally, another problem experienced by Americans with regards to nutrient intake is the fact that such a large portion of the national diet is reliant on corn. I’m not sure if cattle are only fed corn in the US (when they talk about grain-fed) but in Australia cattle for meat and mild are usually grass-fed with grain supplementation, and the type of grain varies (e.g. a mixture of barley, rye and oats). Feeding the animals we consume a greater variety of suitable foods contributes to a better nutritional intake for all (including the animals).August 16, 2007 at 1:57 pm #145526YeelanParticipant
If you want to cultivate healthy vegetables, then have a look at Findhorn.January 13, 2008 at 10:12 pm #147912GoddardParticipant
This is horrible glad I saw this. Again what a little money could do to change our world.January 13, 2008 at 10:22 pm #147913JaxKeymaster
And innovation. There are actually some really interesting advancements being researched. But how much more could we learn with a bit more investment?January 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm #147917Kol DrakeModeratorQuote:If you want to cultivate healthy vegetables, then have a look at Findhorn.
Findhorn was a unique instance of a group being ‘guided’ to grow veggies in some terrible terrain. After my readings on the group, it seems they started with something almost akin to hydroponics ( growing seeds in sand and adding all the nutrients necessary to the water, etc . ) and later it grew into orgainc farming.
I read of Findhorn in the early 90’s when a book told of their initial adventures. It is interesting to see (read on line) how much it has grown and changed since those days of survival ‘farming’ and living.February 21, 2008 at 3:15 am #148349ChavicParticipant
Sad, but true. Just go look in your local grocery store. Fruits and vegetables are either pale and unhealthy looking or brightly, and unnaturally colored.
Anyone who has grow their own food can see the incredible difference from store bought foods. Its really sad the the USDA doesn’t care. Money wins!
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