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July 22, 2015 at 2:26 am #142927RiddleNoxModerator
The Premise is: Magic is real.
Condition: You must truly believe this to be true in order for it to work.
Condition: But, even when you do believe, what you do isn’t guaranteed to work.
Condition: The Magic may or may not work. but, you will never know if it does or not. Could be just a coincidence.
So, you must believe the premise is true for it to work. But, you are not guaranteed a result.
Do you still practice Magic and assume all you do works?
Note: I am not saying that this is how magic works. This is a thought experiment when you alter reality to fit the premise and the conditions. I will post my thoughts in a day or so. Thanks!July 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm #187111Jedi_PhoenixModerator
This is very interesting lol. I’ve been toying with this thought as well since we’ve last talked on Facebook. And it comes up in “I Jedi” too. However, I don’t think it’s about the conditions, I think those are layers that block the premise. I think we believe magic is real (in some form), but we’ve adapted the realities of everyone else around us to understand this reality that we block the very thing we are trying to create. In other words, magic is real, but to make it physically present requires us to go outside of this reality to make it work. Just my two cents…
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJuly 22, 2015 at 1:32 pm #187112Kol DrakeModerator
Is Magic Real — and If It Is, Why Doesn’t Everyone Do It?
It is as Jedi Phoenix notes, many believe it in one form or another — as ‘simple’ as making a wish on a star or when they blow out the candles on their cake. Many do when they sit in a big old building and prayer to a nebulous deity in the hopes they will win next week’s lottery mega payout. Is it any less magical when someone bends down and plucks a 4 leaf clover — just because?
I could cut & paste tons of material of ‘weird stuff that happens’ that would make the X-Files seem like light reading… and yet, 95% of the people in this world never notice; never WANT to notice that really weird stuff. And, ‘real magic’ kind of falls into that same category for most. Either their faith tells them it’s nasty or their philosophy is ‘I won’t believe it until I see it — and it better be lightning or fireballs from the fingertips or it’s not really magic’.
Most skeptics ask for 1000 times the ‘proof’ they would ask for a standard ‘regular’ scientific procedure.
How much proof is real proof?
And for all those fans of conspiracy and black helicopters — how much are we encouraged to NOT delve into such things because folks doing ‘real magic’ would be considered a problem and possible future threat to those who like to stay in power? Can’t have a bunch of magic wielding folk around who are not firmly under the thumb of those who believe they are in charge.July 22, 2015 at 2:13 pm #187113RiddleNoxModerator
Thanks for the responses guys. I appreciate it.
But, neither of you did the thought experiment. I’m curious, IF all the conditions were true, and you chose to believe the premise… would you still practice magic?July 22, 2015 at 3:06 pm #187114Kol DrakeModeratorQuote:neither of you did the thought experiment.
Really? How did you know if I did or didn’t? Magic?
The premise is okay.
The conditions are pretty much what ‘magic’ really is / does… so there wasn’t much ‘experiment’ to it.
When it works, it works rather well; when it does not I have to look over the conditions and thrust of the working to see if it was the ‘magic’ that failed or if I did not approach it properly. And then there are those times when everything is perfect and ‘other stuff’ happens which indicates that ‘it just ain’t gonna happen like that’. That is seldom the failing of ‘magic’ but in the understanding of the intrinsic nature of how magic fits into the greater whole… which typically means, more study and more practice to understand better.July 22, 2015 at 5:08 pm #187116Jedi_PhoenixModerator
Oh re-read your post. I’d say yes, I’d still practice magic, but eventually with enough “coincidences” happening, you’d begin to rule that out in favor of you actually knowing magic worked…
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJuly 22, 2015 at 5:58 pm #187119RiddleNoxModerator
Yay! Thanks David.July 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm #187120JaxKeymaster
If I am who I am now, of course. Isn’t this the very premise of our reality right now? It’s not a thought experiment, it is what we live in now. And we have all chosen to play.July 22, 2015 at 6:41 pm #187122RiddleNoxModeratorNovember 14, 2018 at 8:35 pm #195199ShadowdragonParticipant
Very true! If someone had magic, they would hide it and never use it in public. No one was to be put into a black box and studied.
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