In the Marine Corps we were told things like “Pain is weakness leaving the body”. There are certainly times when pain is necessary. However I have no desire to go through anything like what Jacen went through in that book. I know there was benefit from it, but I think I’ll pass. But I also don’t see the need for that in this lifetime. Maybe I’ll need that kind of strength in another life, but hopefully not this one. I’d rather avoid unnecessary pain.