Setanaoko :: Is ot fair to say this is the extent of the individuals gathering?
BaralFobre :: HI there.
Daniel J :: I think so Seta
Daniel J :: Seta, my PR rep from the Church of Jediism Baral Fobre
BaralFobre :: I may not be staying for long I'm afraid, I'm not feeling too great.
Setanaoko :: Welcome aboard BaralForbre.
Silmerion :: Hello Seta!
Setanaoko :: Hey there Silmerion.
BaralFobre :: Hi there.
Daniel J :: may we press on with the questions once you are all ready
Archmenel :: I was envisioning more here...
Silmerion :: What is the order for asking questions today?
BaralFobre :: What shall we be discussing today, may I ask?
Setanaoko :: Well if this is the case, Silmerion, you are the next person in line.
Silmerion :: OK
Archmenel :: Shall we wait, or is the general concensus to continue with the retinue at hand?
Setanaoko :: I think it would be best to continue now.
BaralFobre :: What are we going to discuss tonight?
Setanaoko :: Since Baral may not be able to spend much time with us. -FR-
Setanaoko :: Silmerion, you have have the first question -FR- (done this time, lol
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BaralFobre :: FR? may I ask what that is?
Silmerion :: OK, I have already e-mailed this question to Daniel, but I think it is a good starting point for a discussion
BaralFobre :: ...
Silmerion :: My concern was how would the Church of Jediism deal with the fact many Jedi have another religion. Even if they are well accepted in the Church of Jediism, their own religious learders may not agree with their working with it...
Setanaoko :: (my apologies for making this little interruption Silmerion, but it was asked) : FR= Force Realists, as I am a representative of a media group.
Silmerion :: What are your thoughts?
Silmerion :: done
Silmerion :: OK, np
BaralFobre :: ah OKay, sorry for the misunderstanding. May I ask which media group?
Setanaoko :: I will get to my information when it is my turn to talk. Please answer Silmerion.
Daniel J :: since there is no figure of worship in the COJ we would say the people who choose to use it as a philosophy would state that it is a life philosophy and not a religion to them personally, where others can use it just as a religion
Daniel J :: done
Setanaoko :: Bara, did you have anything to add to Daniel's statement?
BaralFobre :: Nope, other than agreement - Those who choose to follow another religion at the same time as Jediism should look at the Jedi beliefs as a philosophy in addition to their other beliefs.
Silmerion :: At a personal level, there is no problem but the way people will see the Church of Jediism will be something religious, precisely because of the name. Groups like Jedi Unity, or The Jedi Order...or any name might be more neutral, and easier to deal with, that is of course only my opinion
Setanaoko :: Archmenel, you're floor.
Silmerion :: I have no personal problem with being a Jedi and a Christian, but our religious leader may have some...this is my concern
Archmenel :: With regards to the hood-wearing, the incident, and the media attention: Wouldn't subtlety, self-development, wisdom, and universal helpfulness be a better symbol than a thin polyester robe? Wouldn't those attributes be things better to work on and give Jedi a better name in society across the globe?
Archmenel :: (Coelescere)
Silmerion :: the Robes are not the problem
Silmerion :: I myself wear the Jedi Robes as often as I can
Archmenel :: Look beyond the robe. Look at the larger picture, the robe and hood have become too controversial.
Silmerion :: I think people should be free to waer what they wish
Setanaoko :: Silmerion, this is a chance for COJ to explain the concept.
I think there is more to Archmenel's question than meets the eye here
Archmenel :: (Coelescere)
BaralFobre :: Robes are symbolic in Jediism, I'd like to add.
Silmerion :: For me Robes are symbolic of the Jedi philosophy and of its origins
Silmerion :: the Robes are present in many cultures which inspired the Jedi Way
Daniel J :: A agree with the latter
Silmerion :: I see no problem in wearing them
Daniel J :: but hoods area matter of choice
Archmenel :: Nor do I, but you are being distracted from the message I am trying to send, Silmerion.
Silmerion :: my usual reference is SW, and in the movies the Jedi didn't always wear their hood, indeed, it is a choice
BaralFobre :: The concept behind Jedi Robes is that they cover the back of the head to protect our immediate universe. Of course this is symbolic.
Archmenel :: I am asking if the hood and robes are worth all the trouble, essentially. There are other, more abstract virtues and symbols that will show our true colours.
Archmenel :: (Coelescere)
Silmerion :: The Robes indeed are only part of the Jedi "image" and culture
Archmenel :: Look at what the media attention has done concerning the Tesco incident. Would you not say that this is detrimental to our universal goals? It made a mockery of the Jedi path, in short (Coelescere)
Silmerion :: And personally I prefer using other ways to protect myself against "negative" energy
Silmerion :: I think we should have the courage to show who we are, including by wearing Robes and hoods if we want to
BaralFobre :: I agree
Silmerion :: Of course, we have to be aware of the place we are in and the situation
Daniel J :: i agree
Silmerion :: we are peacemakers, but we shouldn't care so much about being mocked
Archmenel :: Courage is a sad thing when the rest of the world scorns and mocks it.
Silmerion :: courage and new things are always mocked
Archmenel :: We should care when it is in direct opposition to our goals, and furthering our legitmacy in the world.
Silmerion :: IN the SW universe, the first Jedi were called charlatans...
Archmenel :: These little incidents, these petty things that the media thrives on; those are fueling the fire right now.
Silmerion :: we shouldn't try to be too much "part of the world" we have our goals, ideals, and we must stick to it
Silmerion :: we shouldn't let these events affect us
Setanaoko :: This has become a discussion between Silmerion and Archmenel, I would like to go ahead with my own question-if no one else minds
Archmenel :: Please
Silmerion :: we have to understand that the Jedi won't be accepted and honored very soon, generations will pass before this happens
Silmerion :: sorry, np
Silmerion :: Go ahead Seta
BaralFobre :: I agree
Daniel J :: i agree
BaralFobre :: OK, well I'm off - I really don't feel well
Daniel J :: May the force be with you barel fobre
Silmerion :: May the Force be with you
Setanaoko :: As asked earlier, I represent Force Realists, which IS a media outlet. It is an online magazine for the Force Community
Archmenel :: Force willing, I hope you feel better Jedi Baral.
Setanaoko :: Be well Baral
BaralFobre :: I shall meditate and focus my energy, May the Force be with you all.
Daniel J :: and with you Baral
Daniel J ::
BaralFobre :: Have a pleasant evening.
Silmerion :: Thank you, you too
Setanaoko :: BaralFobre, Daniel Jones, I am in the United States Army. As a Military Police soldier, who has travelled to the Middle East to perform as a detainee operations guard, I understand just how difficult it is to constantly be in a "what if CNN were around" phase. I have also been given a distinct honor of being a spokesperson for a few different programs throughout my school years. Public Relations is not something new to me. And it is something I have come to treat with great care, as carefully as even the high ranking officials in any organization must take when involving themselves in mass media. My question is, although you-Daniel- have had publicity in the past (given your band), what actual public relations experience do you have
Setanaoko :: beyond the last two years your church has been in existance?
Daniel J :: since i am only 23 i have oured america toured with famous bands and done allot of interviews also running a label and management service my PR and MEdia skills are very high
Daniel J :: may i ask why ? done
Setanaoko :: It is a question, because I would like to peer more into how much you have had to deal with keeping up your image. It is also something I think would be pertinent for anyone that was your Public Relations representative to have a background in. A college course would be ideal, but the Red Cross even has classes for their representatives to take because they may always face the media.
Setanaoko :: A mindset that is geared towards a constant motion of "this may have extremely bad consequences in the long run, how do I smooth it out" is key for anyone operating in such a role.
Setanaoko :: I have another question for you, but keep things in line with how I have set this up, I will allow Silmerion to ask her question first, followed by Archmenel. -FR-
Daniel J :: Ok no problem done
Setanaoko :: Silmerion, you have the floor -FR-
Silmerion :: More than a question, I would like to share a thought. As an actress, singer, director, I'm constantly dealing with public appearance and media, and as a Jedi, the best thing in order to keep a good image, is keeping self-control and calm in any occasion
Silmerion :: I think that our behaviour can make the difference and allow people to take us seriously
Silmerion :: done
Daniel J :: Well said point, i take my image very seriously and anything i do is from a well thought out perspective
Setanaoko :: Archmenel, do you have a question?
Archmenel :: Yes I do, my friend. To Jedi HEHOL: Why did you decide to pursue legal action following the Tesco incident, if I may ask?
Archmenel :: (Coelescere)
Daniel J :: The legal issue is a human rights violation and a discrimination against me as an individual .
Daniel J :: done
Archmenel :: I see, thank you (Coelescere)
Setanaoko :: Daniel, when you were in America, how much bad publicity did you end up getting while on tour? If any, who ended up talking on your behalf? If it was not you or any other member of your band, what credentials did they have to take on such a task?
Setanaoko :: -FR-
Daniel J :: Well we where filming a reality TV show series which is going out on distribution this year we did not have any bad publicity and we came across well,
Daniel J :: i have had allot of bad publicity from the Jedi Church media attention and we have a process for dealing with them done
Setanaoko :: Octagon, you have the floor, welcome
Archmenel :: If I may interject, I was under the assumption that Jedi Hehol would be given the chance to ask any questions he may have as well. It may be a nice reprieve from being constantly grilled. Although, our ability to answer effectively is diminished by our lack of participants here. (Coelescere)
Octagon :: Greetings all, /bows
Silmerion :: Bows
Setanaoko :: He will, but I had it set up so that he could ask them after we had our chances.
Archmenel :: I trust in you judgment, but felt prodded to make mention of it. (Coelescere)
Setanaoko :: *nods* Understood. Octagon, if you have a question, the floor is yours.
-FR-
Octagon :: thxs, I pass
Setanaoko :: Silmerion, your turn.
Setanaoko :: -FR-
Daniel J :: hi guys i can only spare another 10 mins or so
Silmerion :: Pass
Archmenel :: I appreciate what you have done, and are attempting to do for the Jedi, Jedi Hehol, But I feel it prudent to ask: how effectively do you foresee your leadership dealing with the leadership of other communities on equal terms?
Daniel J :: i will not take leadership away from any other order, as i will encourage them to grow and foresee the bigger structure of an international organization -done-
Archmenel :: I see. You do realise that all will not go smoothly, as much as I would very much like to see it that way.
Archmenel :: (Coelescere)
Daniel J :: i understand the massive task ahead but if we all see this as being a good thing im sure we can work it out accordingly -done-
Silmerion :: If I may add a thought, I think that the starting point of it could be to respect the Rank of any Jedi
Silmerion :: done
Archmenel :: Agreed, Silmerion. Rank and title are very subjective from order to order.(Coelescere)
Daniel J :: Yes, of course this will be written into the transcripts
Setanaoko :: Octagon, did you have any questions you wished to ask?
Octagon :: Then your talking of agreeing on a standard for acknowledgment of rank
Octagon :: done
Octagon :: this question is actually for all to consider
Daniel J :: Not a standard more of an acceptances for every individual order like i said in the last meeting, ranking each order in a division
Daniel J :: who may have many tittles if you trian with allot of orders
Daniel J :: who may have many tittles if you trian with allot of orders
Silmerion :: Indeed, I think that nobody will ever take us seriously if we don't start to respect the Ranks
Daniel J :: it will be subject to you and what training you desire
Daniel J :: done
Octagon :: forgive me if I missed this but how to you currently treat rank from other orders?
Silmerion :: There are many ways to be a Jedi Knight or a Jedi Master
Silmerion :: done
Archmenel :: A final question for Jedi Hehol if I may very quickly?
Daniel J :: yes but it is all subject to the order you are in
Daniel J :: sure go ahead
Daniel J :: i would like to add, we and our council will put together a document on our site for you all to read on how this may work and i will email Seta the link
Setanaoko :: Rank, to me, is a matter of leadership. If I were the head of the Biology department at Centennial High School, I would not expect to be when I switched to East Literature Magnet. Respect should be given to all. -FR-
Archmenel :: Jedi Hehol: Do you believe that there are really any true Jedi Masters or Knights out there currently?
Silmerion :: Knight is a Rank which is part of a long tradition, once you are a Knight, you are for your whole life
Octagon :: indeed
Octagon :: as a degree from a metaphysical order
Silmerion :: We are starting, of course, we can't pretend to have the level we see in the movies, probably withing 100 years the Jedi Knights and Masters will have a higher level
Daniel J :: indeed, we have many we communicate with
Jade :: HELLO
Setanaoko :: Daniel, I am also interested to hear your thoughts on Archmenel's question.
Silmerion :: Hello Jade
Daniel J :: like i said we will make a proposal and will be 100% open to suggestion as we want this to work
Setanaoko :: Jade!
Archmenel :: To Jedi Hehol: I see. (Coelescere)
Daniel J :: Seta i must be going now
Daniel J :: and i will forward you a proposal
Setanaoko :: -hopes that at the very least, when Daniel must leave, Jade and Octagon will stay back-
Jade :: sorry my window locke d up
Setanaoko :: I understand Daniel. May the Force be with you.
Setanaoko :: :bows:
Daniel J :: and with you Seta,
Archmenel :: Force guide you Jedi Hehol.
Silmerion :: May the Force be with you Daniel
Octagon :: MTFBWY Dan
Jade :: did I miss everything again??
Daniel J :: May the force be with you all, i will email you the proposal and seta can forward it all. kind regards
Daniel J :: Jade, im so sorry you missed out again
Daniel J :: may the force be with you
Setanaoko :: *hugs Jade*
Daniel J :: goodbye all
